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    Boundary dispute with China: Is India the problem?
    Posted by on Friday, November 20, 2009 (EST)
    China has resolved its boundary disputes with all its neighbors except India and Bhutan, and the Chinese government suggests its India, and not China, which is the problem.
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    China has resolved its boundary disputes with all its neighbors except India and Bhutan, and the Chinese government suggests its India, and not China, which is the problem. In the image a Chinese soldier looks homeward from their post overlooking Nathu La pass. Photo Credit: Vijainder K Thakur/Sawf News

    November 20, 2009, (Sawf News) - China keeps pointing to the success that it has had in resolving its boundary disputes with countries like Russia, Vietnam, Kazakhstan, Nepal, Burma, Afghanistan and Pakistan in contrast to the lack of progress in its efforts to resolve its boundary dispute with India, implying that India, not China, is the problem.

    Many western analysts buy the Chinese contention and point out that not only has China settled all of its land border disputes except those with India and Bhutan, it settled them by giving up over sixty percent of its territorial claims. China has settled 11 boundary disputes since 1998.

    It is interesting why China had so many boundary disputes, but we will not dwell on that here.


    Kashmir Disputed Territory. Photo Credit: UT Austin

    There are two good reasons why China's boundary dispute with India is proving more intractable than its disputes with other nations. The Indian dispute involves military aggression and forcible occupation of Indian territory in 1962. It is also intrinsic to the China's suppression of the Tibetan people and culture.

    On Wednesday, China settled its protracted boundary dispute with Vietnam with the two countries agreeing to a package of agreements on the demarcation of their 1,300 km border. The two countries next hope to settle their maritime boundary dispute in the future.

    Earlier, in July 2008, China reached an agreement with Russia over their 4,300 km border with Russia, after four decades of negotiations. The two nations fought a short but bloody skirmish in 1969 over an uninhabited island in the Ussuri river.

    Following the Wednesday settlement, Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang cheekily said: "Now, at present, the China-India boundary issue is the more pronounced one [of our territorial disputes]."

    He added that the Chinese government pursued "a larger policy to peacefully resolve" disputes through "dialogue and consultations," noting that "With Russia, Vietnam and other countries, we have signed agreements based on this principle."

    Package Settlement:

    India and China have had, since 1981, 13 rounds of talks to resolve differences over the 4,000 km border. The last round was in August in New Delhi. The talks have made little progress.

    "A larger policy" that Qin talked about on Wednesday probably refers to a package deal that China has repeatedly offered India, before and after the 1962 Chinese aggression.

    China's insistence that only a package deal can lead to a settlement is interesting, as it's indicative of a closed mind.


    Tawang, Arunachal Pradesh. Photo Credit: UT Austin

    Under the package deal, China will drop its claim on Arunachal Pradesh in return for India's acceptance of the Chinese claim in the western sector.

    The package deal on offer does not sound all that bad to many Indians and almost all western analysts. However, it is unacceptable to the Indian government and people by large since it legitimizes aggression and the forcible occupation of Aksai Chin in 1962. Such a deal would also dilute India's sovereignty over Kashmir.

    India wants a sector by sector approach to the boundary dispute that does not involve transfer of populated areas. In order to be palatable to Indians, a border settlement with China must involve significant roll back of the Chinese occupation in Aksai Chin.

    It is likely the package settlement offered to India also involves a further clipping of His Holiness The Dalai Lama's wings. China's claim on Arunachal Pradesh is intrinsic to its claim on Tibet. China will not drop its claim over Arunachal Pradesh unless India gives iron clad guarantees that the Dalai Lama will not play the Tawang card.

    Any further clipping of the Dalai Lama's wings at the behest of the Chinese would constitute a sell out of the Tibetan people who have a greater historic affinity with India than China. By accepting Chinese sovereignty over Tibet India has gone as far as it can go. It must continue to stand up against the suppression of the Tibetan culture.

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    Any other Choice?
    By Narendra Kothapalli on Monday, November 23, 2009 (EST)
    Usually, I would never disagree with Cdr Thakur, but what choice do we have?

    Other than American republicans, there are no other politicians in the entire world with the courage to stand up to the autocratic state which, since its establishment in 1949 has gone to war with basically all of its neighbors.

    Obama's eagerness to engage with China rather than India cements the long standing fact that one cannot rely on the Americans.

    I don't totally disagree with Mr Thakur, accepting the Chinese claim of Aksai Chin would justify Aggression the same way negotiating with Terrorists justifies Terrorism, but Admiral Suresh Mehta, The former Chief of Navy Staff said that we cannot match China economically and
    militarily, and he made this statement when he was the senior most officer of the Indian Military, Chairman of the joint Chiefs of Staff commitee.
    I do not want to sound defeatist, it's true our troops are more motivated, better trained than the Chinese soldier you mentioned a few weeks earlier, but he is actually far better than the malnourished, ill trained lot we fought back in 1962, and we lost the war in spite of that fact.

    A military victory, though difficult to achieve is certainly not impossible, but such a victory would be Pyrrhic, and since war is an instrument of diplomacy, we all know how our politicians would use this victory, the 1971 surrender was the biggest surrender of troops since the second world war, the massacre of 3 million Bengalis was the largest and most organized genocides since the Holocaust.

    In spite of that, we neither resolved the Kashmir issue the way we should have, nor do we have the international opinion that we deserve, forget that we don't even have an alliance with Bangladesh.

    Considering these factors, this deal does not sound too bad, the sole reason for the China-Pakistan alliance is the common hatred they have for India, resolving the boundary dispute would also allow greater Chinese flexibility on Pakistan, If the Chinese continue their support for Pakistan, we simply take back our recognition of Aksai Chin.

    A recognition of Aksai Chin as Chinese territory would mean betrayal its people, who are as Indian as Indians from Rajasthan, Kerala etc, but compared to what our politicians have been doing to the Indian people since 1947, like socialist economic policies,corruption this does not sound like the worst instance of an Indian government turning it's back on it's people.

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    Cavalier suggestions!
    By dhruva0211 on Monday, November 23, 2009 (EST)
    The suggestions you made would, if even we start considering it, would have dangerous implications.

    You are wrong in saying that nobody in this world have the stomach to stand up to China. China is not in the same

    class as USSR or USA. It still buys fightr aircraft, submarines, frigates and radars from Russia. And many

    countries have stood up to USSR and USA in the course of cold war for their own intersts (Vietnam, Czechoslovakia, France etc). Many countries have stood up to China even (Vietnam, Taiwan, South Korea).

    I don't doubt that China is ahead of India in military capabilities. But then we should not overestimate them, as

    we did in 1961 war (we refused to commit game-changing IAF in the 1961 war due to fear of Chineese

    repurcussions).

    China does not have the resources to gain outright victory over India - in fact no country can do that (we are the

    world's second largest army, have 800 combat aircraft, fifth largest navy, quiete a few submarines, active space program, nuclear weapons that only a madman would ignore). We even have military victories to boot over Pakistan - the kind even China has not been able to do. With that kind of army, you are trembling at the sight of China!! Of course, we do lag behind China. But when Admiral Suresh Mehta says that we cannot match China, I don't think he is saying that we surrender Askai Chin to China. Nor is he saying that China can defeat India on any Saturday, Sunday or weekday. What I would interpret of it is that we have to move faster on our forces modernization.

    The most hillarious part of your post is below:

    "Considering these factors, this deal does not sound too bad, the sole reason for the China-Pakistan alliance is the common hatred they have for India, resolving the boundary dispute would also allow greater Chinese flexibility on Pakistan, If the Chinese continue their support for Pakistan, we simply take back our recognition of Aksai Chin. "

    So you think soveriegnity is a ping-pong game that you can play with China. Do you think there would be any going back once we have recognized Askai Chin as a part of China? Have you been able to do it with Kashmir once you took it to UN and internationalized it for ever? Comically, you also think that once we give Askai Chin to China, it will become friends with India. Have you ever considered that it will instead get emboldened and start demanding Arunachal Pradesh and Skikkim also? .Ever heard of Chamberlain and his policy of appeasement?


    I share your loathing of Indian politicians - but let us give then the credit where it is due. Politicians have been largely successful in keeping India free from forgien interference. It is ironic that you are asking us to fail in those few areas where they have succeeded.

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    I pray that you prove me wrong
    By Narendra Kothapalli on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 (EST)
    I hope you will allow me to clarify,

    In your own previous posts you said back in the Simla agreement 6,000 square miles of territory was handed back to Pakistan, a large part of this was POK territory,our territory, now if that is not gifting away our land, then what is?

    We also turned the ceasefire line into the LOC, and this was after the surrender of 93,000 Pakistani troops who massacred 3 million Bengali muslims, Considering the international opinion we had on our side, there should have been no POK today.

    You are right in saying that we need not tremble before China when we have an Infantry and Artillery which captured all strategic peaks during Kargil despite the huge strategic disadvantage, if countries as small as Taiwan,Vietnam can hold their own against the Chinese, we sure as hell can.

    Now I hope to be proved wrong on this one,
    but such a victory would not be as great the one we had back in 1971, even if it were, it is very likely that our politicians would hand back any gains made in Aksai Chin back to the Chinese, like they did back in the Simla agreement.

    >Many countries have stood up to China even (Vietnam, Taiwan, South Korea)
    They did stand up to China, but that was before its economic boom.
    Vietnam, as the above article mentioned just "resolved" its territorial dispute with China and they too, like India have fought a war with China back in 1979, now they have handed over territory to the Chinese, territory which like Aksai Chin has no cultural and historical links with China.

    Taipei too, is more eager to co-operate with China than before, State officials not only refused to meet the Dalai Lama during the latter's visit to Taiwan in an effort to appease the red dragon, but also wanted to disallow his visit .

    South Korea, does not support the Taiwanese bid for United Nations memebership like they did before.

    Even Russia, despite the skirmish withdrew its claim, and the present ruling party is considered to be one that supports Russian Sovereignty and integrity.

    However, I do hope that you are right the about the other suggestions,
    1)If we do not not stand up to the Chinese, we will be just as guilty as the Europeans back in the 1930s who followed a policy of appeasement, If someone like George W Bush was Prime Minister of Great Britain instead of Chamberlain, there would have been no second world war.

    2)Nehru should have been crucified for the 1947 ceasefire, bringing the Kashmir issue to the UN among many other things.

    So you think soveriegnity is a ping-pong game that you can play with China. Do you think there would be any going back once we have recognized Askai Chin as a part of China? Have you been able to do it with Kashmir once you took it to UN and internationalized it for ever? Comically, you also think that once we give Askai Chin to China, it will become friends with India. Have you ever considered that it will instead get emboldened and start demanding Arunachal Pradesh and Skikkim also? .Ever heard of Chamberlain and his policy of appeasement?

    3)You are right, I was completely wrong about that, it's not just territory they want, the way their pawns(CPI,CPI(M)) try to impede the India's economic growth shows that they don't want India as a competitor, for the Chinese, the territories come second.

    But so far, no politician has ever come up with as how to take back Aksai Chin, even the right parties like the BJP, who though take it more seriously than others, do not have a plan to get it back.

    I, therefore recant the previous statement that we should hand it over to the Chinese, but flexibility will allow more time, time which we will need to get our defense procurements straight, for building a better arsenal, time which the Americans will need to pay off their debt to China(Which Thanks to Obama's Keynesian policies, will only grow) so that we can better confront China than we can now.

    I know that the Chinese should be confronted, forcing a significant rollback is the only option, but how do we get the Chinese to do it?

    This "Flexibility" is surely not the best option, but if anyone else has any ideas to check Chinese influence over Asia, I make a genuine request to share them with us.



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