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    Agni-II: Operational or under development?
    Posted by on Friday, October 23, 2009 (EST)
    An upcoming 'user test' of Agni-II at the Wheelers Island test range between November 3 and 8 may well be a developmental test after extensive redesign of the missile.
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    An upcoming 'user test' of Agni-II at the Wheelers Island test range between November 3 and 8 may well be a developmental test after extensive redesign of the missile. Photo Credit: Sawf News

    October 22, 2009, (Sawf News) - An upcoming 'user test' of Agni-II at the Wheelers Island test range between November 3 and 8 may well be a developmental test after extensive redesign of the missile.

    Agni-II is a two-stage solid propellant ballistic missile with a range of 1,550-1,860 miles carrying a 2,200 lbs warhead.

    On paper the Agni-II missile is operational and equips the Strategic Forces 555 Missile Group, but in reality the missile, which has been tested just four times in the past 10 years, is still under development.

    Of a total of four tests so far - on April 11, 1999, January 17, 2001, August 29, 2004 and May 19, 2009 – the last was a failure. The missile wandered 180 degrees off track and plunged into the sea after 127 seconds having covered 203 km.

    A newly developed missile, successfully tested just three times in a decade cannot be operational.

    In 2008 there were news reports that a new version of Agni II is being developed under the stewardship of Dr Tessy Thomas, 45, who had been appointed project director in May 2008.

    Tessy was earlier associate project director of the 3,000-km range Agni-III project.

    Clearly Tessy and her team have been hard a work and a test of what they have come up with would be due by now.

    Another reason why I am inclined to believe the missile is still under development – Its size is changing dramatically.

    Earlier Agni-II was reported to be a 17 ton missile with a diameter of 1m and length of 20 m.

    The press is now reporting it as 19 ton with a diameter of 1.3 m and length of 21 m.

    Here is an extract from the report linked above

    "Defence sources said the Agni-II missile…is 21-meter long and 1.3 meter in diameter. It weighs 19 tonne and is designed to carry "special weapons" nuclear payload of over 1,000 kg."

    There is, of course, the possibility that the reporter, editor and the source were singularly or collectively off medication.

    More seriously, Agni-II was originally developed as a two stage solid propellant missile that could carry a 1000 kg warhead. However, since its conception and design, India developed and tested lighter nuclear warheads that packed the same amount of punch, allowing the missile to carry some extra propellant.

    The missile is now rumored to carry extra fuel and a high altitude motor in its re-entry vehicle to allow for greater range or maneuvering.

    The reference to "special weapons" and on-board thrusters in the Indian Express report linked above probably alludes to a maneuvering or extended range warhead.

    I may or may not be right in concluding that a new version of Agni II is under development but I feel I am on firm ground in claiming that the Agni II missile is not operational as more than one ministers have told the Indian Parliament.

    So why do our politicians lie to the nation and its parliament, that too in matters concerning security?

    For more details and updates on the project please see my Agni-II knol

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    Agni 2
    By bones20 on Friday, October 23, 2009 (EST)
    Such kind of skeptical comments (on LCA, China, Nuclear deterrent and now missiles) coming from a former IAF fighter is now starting to make me feel unsecured as an Indian.

    What you are saying occured to even me. Why would they test Agni 2? One usually expects development upwards. Looks like we are doing development downwards. Most countries (or atleast China) are very secretive about their defense developments and one can say more often than not that they possess more than what they show and claim. IN case of India looks like its totally reverse. We make up state of the art weapons on paper. You name it, we have it on paper - Super LCA, AGNI 1,2,3,5, Surya and million other missiles, AWECS, AAD, PAD, AD1, AD2, Tanks and what not. But nothing hardly reaches IOC on time let alone induction and operation. Sorry state.













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    Indian Ministers
    By dhruva0211 on Friday, October 23, 2009 (EST)
    Indian Ministers statements are like a bikini - what they reveal is suggestive, what they conceal is vital.

    And of course, we will never find out the vital secret - what is the actual status of Agni II missile.

    In fact, a whole lot of other systems as well- UAV (Nishat,Rustom), PAD, AAD, Astra missile, Akash SAM, NAG.

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    Agni II
    By harsha_06 on Friday, October 23, 2009 (EST)

    Indian Ministers statements are like a bikini - what they reveal is suggestive, what they conceal is vital.
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    You made a point here dhruva but dont you think that metaphor is a bit too revealing ...makes a reader thoughts go out of way.


    To Mr.Thakur,

    Why cant we consider the change in dimensions or mentioning of smart payloads as an upgrade or an improvement to the missile that the Army wanted ?

    May be one of the test failures was a result of testing new software or payload delivery system !

    Designing a missile of Agni II's range is one milestone and improving its features like payload delivery, countermeasures, smart munitions or special weapons may be a add-on things requested by the Army keeping the strategic goals of war in mind. Technology of missiles needs to change as time passes by.

    Also why would the Army keep quite when they think Agni II is not in their arsenal and the politicians and scientists keep saying that it is operational with the army.

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    Re: Agni II
    By vkthakur on Friday, October 23, 2009 (EST)
    > Why cant we consider the change in dimensions or mentioning of smart payloads as an upgrade or an improvement to the missile that the Army wanted ?

    You are right. Most probably, an upgraded version of the missile is being tested. But then why call it a 'user trial?'

    Also with just three successful tests, the original version of missile should not have been declared operational.

    There is little to indicate that the missile was either produced or deployed in large numbers.

    > Also why would the Army keep quite when they think Agni II is not in their arsenal and the politicians and scientists keep saying that it is operational with the army.

    Our nuclear deterrent is part of Strategic Forces, not the Army. Neither the Army, nor the Strategic Forces are authorized to talk to the press.

    This is part of the problem. DRDO scientists freely leak information. Service officers don't. As a result, the public gets a distorted picture.

    There are a lot of junk DRDO systems in the services that the services just put up with under DRDO / Defense Ministry pressure.

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    RE to VKThakur
    By harsha_06 on Friday, October 23, 2009 (EST)
    You are right. Most probably, an upgraded version of the missile is being tested. But then why call it a 'user trial?'
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    Good point...I have no answer. May be it is a part of DRDO and the Defense ministry campaign to provide a distorted picture to the public about the present status of Agni II ( Remember what dhruva told ).



    There is little to indicate that the missile was either produced or deployed in large numbers.
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    Why mass produce a missile , when it is in primitive state and not in a more complete state that you wanted it to be. You want weapons that you can hit the enemy hard and that makes a point not that give the enemy an idea that you are still a weakling.

    According to an old report, the production capacity of Agni II is 18 missiles per year which is now being under utitlised but they are still being produced. May be they want to mass produce the missile when it is in a more perfect state.



    There are a lot of junk DRDO systems in the services that the services just put up with under DRDO / Defense Ministry pressure.
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    True, but I wouldnt keep the IGMP missiles in the same category .

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    IGMDP
    By dhruva0211 on Friday, October 23, 2009 (EST)
    Harsha,

    IGMDP program is definitely not an unqualified success.

    To start with, out of 5 missiles (Prithvi, Agni, Nag, Trishul and Aakash) - only 4 have made the grade. Trishul is officially a failure - despite protracted development of 25 years.

    Aaksah missile is not a credible anti-aircraft system in any way. The Army has rejected it. Only the Air Force has accepted it - that too in small numbers. It is looking at other systems to fulfill its anti-aircraft capability.

    Nag is not in production either- despite the Army having ordered 443 of them a long time back. It still has issues with the capability of Seeker - which really is the heart of its missile.

    Prithvi is a short range missile (150 KM) to be used in tactical situations. Since it is tactical battlefild missile, it should have the capability of being launched at a short notice. However, it does not have that ability since it is liquid fuelled. Hence, it has to be filled with liquid propellant prior to its launch - which is a severe disadvantage for a tactical missile. Its naval variant - Dhanush - is yet to be developed.

    Agni missile system is operational only with 3 tests. Most other missiles that I checked (US and USSR) were tested for 5-8 years and the number of tests was easily in double digits. It is a no-brainer that missiles are complex systems that cannot be validated before extensively testing it.

    The story is similar with other missiles - Shaurya, Astra, Sagarika and Maitreyi. The only exception is Brahmos - no prizes for guessing why?? I don't know if PAD, AAD would be better - their projected completion and deployment date is 2015.

    Most models of the missiles are mass produced. Every single model are production figures in 100s when in operational deployment. A handful of missiles cannot be a detterent - however lethal they may be.

    DRDO has generously overshot timelines with previous weapons systems. Do you know 80% of all casulaties in Kargil war can be attributed to DRDO's failure to develop weapon locating radar in time?? Army had asked for a weapon locating radar in 1993 - and were not allowed to buy it since DRDO said that it can be developed indigenously in 3 years. Pakistan just went ahead and purchased one (AN/TQP-37) and used it in Kargil. Our soldiers fought blind in Kargil. After Kargil war, India was forced to buy the same AN/TQP-37 radar in panic purchase. Only in 2005 did DRDO deliver weapon locating radar - I don't know if the army is happy with it or not.

    We cannot have a "Chalta Hai" attitude with our national security. It is clear we are not going to win any wars with DRDO weapons. It is no use if DRDO weapons inspire you and me but cannot inspire their primary users - which is the army, navy and air force. After all their life - and ultimately our national security - depends on the weapons they use.

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    Re: IGMDP
    By vkthakur on Saturday, October 24, 2009 (EST)
    Wow! A very lucid and informative post.

    Thank you dhruva for documenting the facts in great detail.

    A lot of nuclear analysts believe that DRDO dangerously destabilized the strategic environment in the sub-continent by introducing a short range nuclear capable missile like the Prithvi.

    The organization was so thrilled with having built a missile that they did not dwell on the consequences of arming it with nuclear weapons.

    The Prithvi achieved nothing more than motivating Pakistan to acquire better missiles from North Korea.

    Similarly, the Arihant / Saagrika combine may do nothing more than motivate Pakistan to tip their cruise missiles with nuclear warheads, further destabilizing the strategic environment.

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