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    Indian Russian joint arms manufacture: Reality or farce?
    Posted by on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 (EST)
    The Brahmos missile maybe potent but it is way too expensive. The only defense budget it will bleed is the Indian.
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    The Brahmos missile maybe potent but it is way too expensive. The only defense budget it will bleed is the Indian. Photo Credit: PIB

    October 06, 2009, (Sawf News) - The Brahmos missile maybe potent but it is way too expensive. The only defense budget it will bleed is the Indian.

    The reason why the Brahmos is very expensive is because the Russians want it priced out of the market and ensure that is so by demanding a large cut ($5 million +) for every missile sold. So why would Russia price the Brahmos out of the market?

    The Brahmos is based on the SS-NX-26 (Yakhont) missile. The Russians continue to market the Yakhont, a direct Brahmos competitor to prospective clients at a much lower cost than the Brahmos.

    The Indonesian Navy, for example, is interested in buying the Yakhont for their missile boats.

    On paper Brahmos is a joint Indian-Russian missile development project, but in reality it is nothing more than license manufacture.

    Indian scientists have undoubtedly worked on the guidance system of the Brahmos but their is no denying the fact that production of the missile will grind to a halt any day the Russians decided to withhold supply of its ramjet engines. So can we call it an Indian missile?

    The PAK-FA / FGFA project is unlikely to be any different from the Brahmos project. During a press conference on October 1, IAF Chief PV Naik said that India and Russia have exchanged technical specifications for the fighter aircraft. Considering that three prototypes of the PAK-FA have already been built and the first flight of the aircraft may well take place before the end of the year, you are left wondering who is fooling whom!

    For more details on the project visit my knol.

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    Russians...
    By indus on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 (EST)
    have been playing Indians for fools for a long time. It'll only stop when our elites clean up the corruption and grow a spine. Otherwise Indians will always be Russia's sidekick. While we give them all our money they call the shots. We prance around in (russian) borrowed feathers.

    These types of stories demonstrate how naive, insecure and foolish our leaders are. Most of us would like to see India gain the respect it deserves. It might be best to imitate the Chinese model and replicate technology and make it for ourselves-if we can't build it from scratch.

    Or just buy American/European. While the West will also take advantage, they're generally more reliable and their tech much better than Russia's. Unfortunately there's nothing any of us Indians who have no power can do anything about it. All these unfavorable situations that India finds itself in are discouraging. We have to hope that India will finally find its proper footing.

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    What is the option?
    By Jupp on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 (EST)
    Of course they were playing us for a long time, because they was in the better position. India had only Russia as an option for high tech arms and a defense partner strong enough to keep US and China away from India.
    But now times has changed, India has grown up and all options. That leaves it to Russia now to make the move, towards us and in an equal partnership, or with their last available option China, that is a threat for them not alone on their borders.

    On the other side what are the options for India? The LCA project showed that we are on the right way to self reliance, but still are decades behind. Without Russia and the Pak Fa development we would fall even more behind China and the only other option to get 5. gen fighters is the USA. Do we really want to be dependent on them? Look how they treat Japan, one of their alleys, with forcing them with pressure to their tanks and fighters. Now just for general informations about F35, Japan should pay around 11 million dollars and all details about the radar will only be provided AFTER the deal to purchase them is fixed. WTF??? Who knows how much they have to pay for each fighter, not only Russia knows the game of arms twisting.

    We had our problems with Russia, but if you see how confident A.K. Antony for example criticises them for delays in A50 Phalcon delivery, I would say our Gov knows that we are in the better position now and knows when to put pressure on them. And to keep this advantage and put more pressure on Russia MMRCA must go to a western country, otherwise we would be totally dependent on them and this game will never end.

    The difference from Brahmos development, to Pak Fa /FGFA is, that Russia has no other option to sell.
    In case of Brahmos it has Yakont, but just as we can see in case of the single seat Su35, a single seat Pak Fa won't be an export hit. I guess they will sell the FGFA as the export fighter just like they sold Su 30. And the fact that we can already produce all parts of the MKI in India, will also help to produce the main parts of FGFA in India.
    This can be the first real partnership with Russia and the next is already fixed with MRTA. So as long as we don't fall back in the old buyer seller relation ship, things seems to go the right way.

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    Indo-Russain relationship
    By dhruva0211 on Thursday, October 08, 2009 (EST)
    I read any analysis of Indo-Russian relations conducted by US Air Force soon after India's 1998 nuclear tests. Even if it is a bit dated, it still makes for an insighgtful reading.

    Here is the link:

    http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/india/doctrine/ocp31.htm

    The article states that over-dependence on Russian military hardware had enabled India to put off investing and nurturing in its own homegrown military capabilities. This is also one of the reason why we are able to wink at DRDO's shoddy performance. Our political leaders always know at the back of their mind that they can always take the convenient option of purchasing military equipment. Our politicians are not like Soviet and Israeli leaders who could invest personal effort and zeal in getting work done out of their defence firms.

    While joint development with Russians, Israelis (or for that matter anyone) is the way forward, it is imperative that it is not used as a cover by DRDO, HAL, ADA to escape from their fair share of work. They have to progressivley build on the experience gained with such partnerships and gradually start building high-quality military products. There have been so many ToT agreements (like Su-30 MKI) that we should have had our own fighter aircraft by now.
    However, all we have is LCA which won't win any wars for IAF (atleast not in the near future)


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    Not sure if this is bad news
    By black beak on Thursday, October 08, 2009 (EST)
    Cdr Thakur - I believe you made the case for off the shelf purchases and customization where needed rather than building from the ground up. From that perspective BrahMos is a great success and even if we cannot export BrahMos, this give us an oprerational model for engaging with Russia.

    The problem is that DRDO, HAL etc need to be privatised or atleast the arms industry should be thrown open to private participation.

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