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    Chinese Intrusions: The bigger picture
    Posted by on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 (EST)
    In a post on his blog today, renowned analyst B Raman gives his views on the Chinese obsession for Tawang, a town they occupied during the 1962 conflict but later vacated.
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    Tawang, Arunachal Pradesh.

    September 14, 2009, (Sawf News) - In a post on his blog today, renowned analyst B Raman gives his views on the Chinese obsession for Tawang, a town they occupied during the 1962 conflict but later vacated.

    Raman suggests that the Chinese believe a successor to the Dalai Lama will be chosen from Tawang frustrating Chinese attempts to foist its own successor to His Holiness.

    Raman also plays down Chinese military incursions on the grounds that large tracts of the border are disputed and reposing faith in the Indian Army's ability to do its job.

    B Raman's writings make excellent reading and usually I just soak his incisive thoughts. Of late, I have found his criticism of strategists advocating a firm response against Chinese incursions disconcerting.

    Here is my comment on his post this morning.

    Considering that the Chinese Tawang obsession is recent, is it possible that Tawang is not the cause of recent Chinese stridency but a manifestation of Chinese discomfort with India.

    It could be China's way of telling India, sergeant major style, that getting close to the US will make things more difficult for it.

    China's obsession is unlikely to be Dalai Lama centric. It is more likely US centric because it is the US support of His Holiness that makes him so relevant.

    Tibet cannot be destabilized by India, or any other country in the world, without US connivance.

    Chinese hostility towards India has grown as has the growing proximity between India and the US.

    The US is forging deeper strategic relations with India in order to contain China. It is logical for the Chinese to remind India which neighborhood it lives in. If subtle pressure does not work, the Chinese will keep a military humiliation on the cards, something that will make India less relevant to US interests.

    The location of US missile defense components in India could make the Chinese nuclear deterrent in central and eastern China ineffective. That must bother the Chinese.

    Your faith in the Indian army notwithstanding, the PLA has the ability to nibble Indian territory, as it appears to be doing now, or make a much larger intrusion in Ladakh or Arunachal. Either action will embarrass India, derail its economic surge by making it focus on its military vulnerabilities, and reduce its stature in the region making it easier for the Chinese to increase their influence in our neighborhood.

    Coming back to the Indian Army, we need to be objective about its abilities and not let our patriotism or political correctness cloud our judgment. Remember the Indian Army was not even aware of the occupation of hundreds of square kilometers of our territory in Kargil.

    The Chinese incursions in Chumar, Ladakh occurred in January and the Army did not talk about it till September.

    The self introspection done by the Army after Kargil came through more as a cover up than an overhaul considering the fact that no General was held accountable.

    You are probably aware that what makes it to the press about the situation on the border is usually the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

    Chinese moves are always carefully calibrated. The Chinese are not seeking a war but a reevaluation of Indian alignments. Indian reaction to their border intrusions will dictate what they do next. They will try and maneuver into a 'Heads I win, tails you lose' posture.

    India needs to counter the Chinese with its own 'Tails I win, heads you lose' posture that forces the Chinese to change tack.

    The only way to stop the Chinese from coveting Indian territory is to create a capability to take some of theirs. If loss of territory can be humiliating for India, it can be more so for China.

    If anyone in the Indian establishment believes that India cannot or must not acquire the ability to wrest Chinese territory from them the game is over – in favor of the Chinese.

    The bottom line: A military threat must be met with a military response and a diplomatic threat with a diplomatic response.

    There is also a need for greater transparency on what is transpiring at the northern borders. Perhaps there is a need to make the physical positions and disputed areas along the border public knowledge.

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    to all
    By shudra14 on Thursday, September 17, 2009 (EST)
    actually Chinese have several hundred s300pmu 1/2 and HQ9 SAM

    and India has only few Agni 2 missiles which carry only single warhead and these missiles still don't reach far east of china

    and these few agni2 can be taken down by those hundreds of LONG RANGE SAM Chinese have

    to overcome those SAM one needs MIRV which is distant dream

    even agni3 doesn't has MIRV capability and will take 5 more years to do this

    and this clearly shows that DRDO first did wrong with claiming POKHARAN 2 success and now they mislead country about agni2 will penetrate those SAMs

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    Be realistic
    By Anadi on Sunday, September 20, 2009 (EST)
    Let's get the facts straight & cut the story short.

    The entire border with China is disputed
    and significantly both sides acknowledge this phenomena.

    As long as the border remains disputed, Chinese intrusion can not be dealt with a convincing stand in world community's eye.

    Who possess what & in which depth, everyone knows!!

    If China cannot match US warfare capabilities, same way India cannot Chines.

    Here all need to be realistic; rehtorics, diverting the issue into who-would-win-the-war-syndorme, these gestures & speeches remined me media of our country

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    CHINA and INDIA
    By golden on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 (EST)
    India does not need to match CHINA anymore than ISRAEL needs to match ALL OF ITS ENEMIES.

    The trick is for INDIA to use what it has effectively.

    First, cut out the fat. Buy weapons that are designed, built and delivered in less that 2 decades. The TEJAS is a laughing stock to the rest of the world.
    If it had been designed around the GE F404 engine to begin with, a second generation of TEJAS would already be test flying and the first 120 would be in service.

    What if the TEJAS was dropped and the KOREAN F/A-50 was put into license production. India could negotiate to be included in any future developments.

    If INDIA selects the F-16 or F-18, then how hard would it be to jump into the F-35 program. Instead of RUSSIAN aircraft carriers, get with the AMERICAN, BRITISH or FRENCH navies and get a conventionally powered aircraft carrier that works. Does anyone think the BRITISH would not jump at the opportunity to license and of course supply parts for the QUEEN ELIZABETH class aircraft carrier?

    Russians build great assault rifles. Almost anything more sophisticated is a problem. The more sophisticated, the more maintenance that is needed.
    And the problems are going to get worse.

    Second, incompetence and carreerism in the military is what led the U.S. military into its first modern failure in VIETNAM.
    Incompetence, self delusion and arragonce led CHINA to invade VIETNAM after the AMERICANS left and lose several times the casualties in 1/16 the time. BIG NUMBERS DID NOT IMPRESS THE VIETNAMESE.
    Do not let the beligerance or size of CHINA'S military intimidate.
    Weapons and numbers alone do not make an army powerful.

    Saddam HUSSIEN and the mother of all armies found that out in 1991 and again in 2003.

    India writers have constantly lauded their independance from the U.S. For what reason? Now you live in fear of CHINA, just like EUROPE lived in fear of RUSSIA.
    You do not have to defeat an aggressor to win, just not fight him and survive intact. NATO beat RUSSIA without ever firing a shot.
    It is CHINA that cannot win without launching an attact. Would a NATO type of treaty between INDIA, the U.S. and other asian nations not end that fear.

    Golden

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    Re: CHINA and INDIA
    By vkthakur on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 (EST)
    Re: CHINA and INDIA

    The problems that I see with a deeper Indo - US military alliance are many. Some that immediately come to mind are.

    1. The US will readily sell out Indian interests for peace and economic prosperity that comes from a working relationship with China. President Obama's refusal to meet his holiness the Dalai Lama, in a reversal of nearly two decades of US policy, during his currently underway US tour is a case in point. The Obama administration is even veering towards neutrality on Arunachal Pradesh.(http://ramanstrategicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/10/obama-veering-towards-neutrality-on.html)

    2. The Indian liberal press will be rabidly against any such alliance. Socialism, and a knee jerk opposition to the US, are deeply ingrained into the Indian mindset. A lot of the Indian attitude is based on recent history which saw the US repeatedly support Pakistan at India's cost.

    3. Historically. Russia has been India's staunchest supporter and it makes no sense to ditch that friendship. Any NATO like alignment with the US will create great unease in Russia because it will inevitably be used by the US against Russia too.

    4. The US is known in India more for its arm twisting and sanctions then solid support. Perhaps, the liberal Indian press unfairly paints some of the supply restrictions to arm twisting but that is not entirely the case.

    I agree that India has nothing to fear from China despite the current asymmetry in military strengths, provided it shows some of the same determination that Israel shows against the Arabs, or even the Pakistanis against India!

    The PLA maybe mighty but it is not large enough to seal the India – Tibet border. Were a determined Indian leadership to be militarily humiliated in Arunachal Pradesh it could easily allow the Tibetans based in India do what they have always wanted to do – start an insurgency in Tibet.

    China's populated and industrial areas are too far to the east for them to easily cope with an Indian supported insurgency, a fact that the Chinese leadership is unlikely to lose track off. They may have occupied it but Tibet is Tibet and not China.

    Indeed, most of the Chinese paranoia about their border with India stems from wishful thinking that Tibet can be integrated (assimilated?) into China.

    It is conceivable that the Chinese could occupy large tracts of Arunachal in a major action but what will they do after that? The people in Arunachal Pradesh don't love the Chinese. There will be a major insurgency in the state that will economically cripple China and ultimately force them to bring back their troops in shame.

    I don't think India has to rush into a military alliance, but it has to stock up on its gunpowder and keep it dry.

    Our government needs to start building roads in the Himalayas to protect our borders not in rural areas to serve every single dwelling to win votes. We like our democracy but our territorial integrity must not be the price that we pay for it.

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