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    Understanding IAF interest in the MiG fifth generation fighter.
    Posted by on Sunday, December 18, 2005 (EST)
    The inclination of the IAF and the Indian government to work with the MiG Corp for the fifth generation fighter rather than opt into the Sukhoi led T-50 program is well thought out.
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    The MiG-29OVT demonstrated vectored thrust at MAKS-2005

    The IAF's interest in working with the MiG corp for meeting its fifth generation fighter requirements came to the fore during Indian Defense Minister Pranab Mukherjee's visit to Russia in November. While speaking to the Russian press Mukherjee acknowledged that amongst subjects discussed was the MiG study work on a fifth-generation light fighter aircraft.

    Russian endeavors to elicit Indian interest in its fifth generation fighter have been reported in the press for the past two years or so. The assumption was that these endeavors were focused around the Sukhoi T-50. The IAF's interest in the MiG concept came as a surprise. Indeed, Indian interest in the MiG concept has possibly rekindled the interest of the Russian air force too in the MiG design.

    AW&ST has reported that while remaining publicly wedded to the Sukhoi T-50 as its next-generation fighter program, the Russian air force is reexamining its future fleet mix, and there have been discussions with MiG over the development of a light fighter. MiG has already carried out wind-tunnel tests of its latest light fighter design concepts. However, these remain classified, indicating at least some level of Russian air force interest.

    Why the T-50 does not meet IAF requirements

    With India already committed to the heavy Su-30MKI investing in another heavy like the Sukhoi T-50 as it's next-generation fighter program makes little sense.


    The Berkut was the Sukhoi test bed for a fifth generation fighter. Here seen in the foreground with a Su-47

    Committing to heavy and expensive fighters in such large numbers will result in a reduction of the IAF fleet within a given budgetary allocation. What the Air Force needs is a judicious mix of lights and heavy with the relatively inexpensive lights deployed in large number. The sheer geographical extent of the country and its well spread out strategic interest mandate a large fighter fleet that cannot be easily spread thin.

    Understanding the Emerging Threat

    Pakistan is in the process of acquiring a USS Spruance-class destroyers from the US. These are the largest destroyers in the history of the U.S. Navy. They can cruise far from home for long periods of time. The ship is already equipped to launch cruise missiles. PakistaniDefence.com has reported that the Pakistani navy will reconfigure the ship's existing onboard missile systems to carry Babur cruise missiles which have a range of 500 km.

    The implications for India are clear. Any strategic target within India, whether in the North or South, can now be the target of a cruise missile attack. Such an attack could legitimately target a designated defense nuclear facility like a fast breeder reactor or an advanced DRDO establishment like the ATV home base.


    The MiG 1.42 was a fifth generation fighter research testbed

    In the eventuality of such an attack India will get an adequate warning, perhaps from a Tu-142 long range reconnaissance aircraft or a shadowing naval ship. However, the challenge would be in neutralizing the attack. Deploying missile defenses around strategic targets could help but not assure full protection. The problem with relying on a point missile defense system is that missile can only engage the target seconds before it is hit. Missile batteries have just a few seconds in which to neutralize the threat. In addition, they can be easily overwhelmed by rapid salvo fire.

    The time to take out a subsonic cruise missile like the Babur is during the half an hour or so that it will take to reach its target. Fighters equipped with AESA radars and medium range air to air missiles present the best answer. They have a larger window to engage and neutralize attacking cruise missiles. Missiles deployed around the target can then take care of any cruise missiles that slip through fighter defenses.

    AESA Angle

    Besides the cost of a heavy there are other possible reasons for the IAF interest in collaborating with the MiG Corp rather than joining the Sukhoi led T-50 fighter program. Traditionally, MiG variants have used radars developed by Fazatron-NIIR Corporation while Sukhoi variants have used radars developed by Tikhomirov Scientific Research Institute of Instrument Building (NIIP). NIIP has been an evangelist for passive electronically steered array radars. Yuriy Belyy, director of (NIIP) has been quoted as saying the construction of an antenna with an active phased array (AFAR) for the fifth generation fighter using the existing technology base is pointless! More in tune with the rest of the world is Fazatron-NIIR Corporation which has consistently advocated the use of AESA and privately funded research into it. Fazatron-NIIR has also built a reputation for a modular and open architecture. Above all they are known to develop and deliver their radars on time. As and when Russia does deploy it's AESA, my bet is it will come from Fazatron-NIIR

    Conclusion

    The inclination of the IAF and the Indian government to work with the MiG Corp for the fifth generation fighter rather than opt into the Sukhoi led T-50 program is well thought out. A light weight and lower cost fifth generation fighter that can be deployed in large numbers will better address the developing threat scenario than the T-50. Additionally, by championing the cause of the MiG Corp, which has so far been the underdog in the race for developing a fifth generation fighter, the IAF and DRDO have a better chance of honing the new fighter from the ground up to meet IAF specific requirements.

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    AESA radars
    By harishkumar09 on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 (EST)
    I think India needs to invest heavily in Russian defence industry.This will ensure that East will be able to keep up with the West in technology matters.We need to increase our defence expenditure for that.I think we must invest heavily in the AESA and help the Russians develop the AESA as fast as possible.So that we can have it fitted in the SU-30MKIs and the MIG-29 by the time the F-22 is out in large numbers.Already the F-18s have the AESA radars and they will have a huge advantage vis-a-vis any airforce they run into.

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    Good source of revenue
    By harishkumar09 on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 (EST)
    Plus we will also be getting good revenue from sale of Russian weapons to other nations.Russia is a major arms exporter and sustained revenue from any of the many design bureaus in Russia should be a welcome thing.Just as ONGC has invested in Russian oilfields we need to invest in Russian defence industry.They will fetch us sustained revenue for a long period of time.

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    IAF? FUTURE WHAT IN 2040
    By t-90 on Friday, October 20, 2006 (EST)
    EVERYBODY IS SAYING ABOUT FIFTH GEN FIGHTER BUT WHEN R V GONNA GET IT IN2010,2015,2020WHEN?
    IT IS A FACT THAT V ARE NOT FIGHTING F-22 ANY SOON,BUT YES LOTOF SU-27 AND F-16,SO "SU-30" IS A BAD BODDY DADDY TO DEAL WITH THEM BUT WE HAVENT GOT ENOUGH OF MULTI-ROLES TO BUST THE TANKS AND OTHER SHITS.(GOD KNOWS WHEN THE 126 COMBAT AIRCRAFT R GONNA START ARRIVING THE DEAL IS NOT EVEN FINALISED,SO IT IS NICE TO POINT ON A FIFTH GEN FIGHTER COZ CHINKS R GONNA SIGH THE DEAL OF S-37 WITH SUKHOI SOON ALSO THE FIFTH GEN FIGHTER WILL C TO IT THAT OUR AIR SUPERIOTY IS MAINTAINED ,ALSO HAL IS AINT GONNA MAKE A FIFTH GEN FIGHTER ANY SOON,IF IF AN ARRANGMENT IS MADE THEY WILL PROBABLY DELIVER IT IN 2060 AD WHEN SIXTH GEN BIRDS WOULD B FLYING ITS OK TO KEEP BUYING DEFENCE SHITS AS SOMEONE HAS RIGHTLY SAID THAT DEFENCE NEED NEVER STOP.

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    SU-30mki rocks
    By pravinutankar on Sunday, October 22, 2006 (EST)
    Hey the SU-30MKI is very good to handle even the JSF man. I think jsf is nothing but a white elephant hahhaa.Till 2020 the production of the 5th generation will start m sure.

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    sad mind set("KNOW" your REAL friends)...
    By US2 world on Saturday, August 11, 2007 (EST)
    First off your country can invest all it wants in whomever will sell you weapons systems- the U.S.,the Russians,The UK,France- it won't matter-the U.S.will most likely NEVER fight India and have NO plans,nor REASONS for it.YES the U.S. supports Pakistan,but thats on the issue of a "Free will" state-we've never given them any weapon system that would be used to functionally attack India and WIN( the F-16 block 30/32 can KILL indian Mig 21s,but it can barely hold its own against IAF Mig 29s!!).so why talk CRAP about buying a system to help you fight the F-22 system??India has never and Will never pose a global or strategic threat to the U.S.Combat against the FA-22 or F/A-35?you'll never encounter one in your or your childrens lifetimes,in terms of a Indian -U.S.conflict,and the Pakistanis will never get them! Considering the FACT that our U.S. NAVY alone can overpower the IAF in attrition combat by 4:1(the U.S.A.F. by 5:1),why be "arrogant" and even put yourself in that frame of mind to have to even"think" about a potential showdown with the U.S.(who would you fight next? the germans? )-design your own,buy the U.S.(F/A-18) or european systems(Rafael/ Typhoon /Gripen),but be concerned about your REAL threats- the "deceitful"Chinese and the unstable Pakistanis( the U.S. actually has plans to "hit" Pakistan if the country turns rabidly anti west and support islamic extermism,and you can BEST believe you'll be called upon to help in that day...)

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    keep dreaming
    By US2 world on Saturday, August 11, 2007 (EST)
    first off - the JSF(F/A-35) would NEVER come up against a SU-30,and if it did,the SU-30 would be at the disadvantage(out numbered and only able to win one or two knock downs BEFORE it was "cold meat") Secondly ,you assume that you can STOP a massive attack by a conventional US combat task force- doubtful ,as that attack would be a COMBINED weapons offensive on strategic targets-The U.S. military is designed to fight MAJOR competition,and conquer Nations,not lightwieght fights(India would have to threaten or resort to a "nuclear" option,even then a BIG mistake)- the U.S. reserve air forces out number IAF frontline forces,so what makes you think you could win against those numbers???The curent sukhoi and migs are no match for the killer F/A-22-period and it will be available in large enough numbers by 2010 to handle anyone out there,as well as dominate until 2025.India,even for its large weapons inventory and large land army- is NOT a military that can project FORCE globally and probably NEVER will be,nor does it even have a reason to be!!

    Be proud to be a regional power and feel secure in that.YOUR REAL enemy is CHINA-they Fear your economic and military strength more than anyone,(plus they ,and NOT the U.S. or Western Europe) have attacked you at least 3 times in the recent past.Think about that before you chest beat and brag about wanting to be "ready" for the U.S.You overestimate your reach and power of your forces ,Sir.....

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    Lets Think again Americans
    By shinkentom on Sunday, September 02, 2007 (EST)
    from US2 world

    "is NOT a military that can project FORCE globally
    and probably NEVER will be"

    nor does it even have a reason to be!!

    Well, before WW2 the US was NOT a superpower! haha UK and germany so basically after that the US became a superpower along with USSR, primarily(in the case of US) because they were not directly ravaged by the war like britain and germany and some other countries. BTW lots of german scientists worked for the US lol einstein and von braunn (THE V2 rocket guy)

    that means its roughly about 60years that US achieved the state it is now. Do you think the US will be the world's number one for EVER and EVER? No. so i think the word NEVER is inappropriate...Because you cant see the future can you?

    Yes at the moment india cannot project force globally, but that does not mean that it will always be that way. so dont be too optimistic that US can hold its position for the next 100years!

    what reason does the US have to project force globally?


    The US plays politics whereever it interferes and troubles arise that rebound back on the US, the US had a supportive role of pakistan...now its having trouble with them ...they get shot by their own weapons..stinger missiles given to afghan rebels to fight soviets were used back on us. We supported CHINA and made it a threat to us both economically and militarily, because if not the US would not be concerned about CHINA. Now we are pretty much ANTI china although not official.

    We created Bin laden, now he has become our problem!


    Yes for india, pak is an immeditate threat because of radicals in the country. China? quite hard to read those folks...SMILES can DECIEVE.

    US? may be not a foe for india now. But things are not permanent in this world. So its reason for them to take precautions in a way that dont immediately jeopardise the bilateral ties







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    LOL ur comments r pretty arrogant
    By dshanshanker on Monday, October 15, 2007 (EST)
    lol just because we r frienbds doesn't mean that india should stay behind in equipping ourselves with the latest technology dude .as, the indian dream is not only to turn it in to a regional power but also a super power(a right for every country to dream about) in the future. And what r u tring to say that my nation is making a mistake in joining hands with the russians. pl lol watch ur thoughts ,INDIA is a sovereign nation and we will develop systems required to defend this nation and not to invade any nation . And your comparision of iaf vs ur navy and Af as 5:1,4:1 . is all crap as this nation is not only tired of views made by arrogant spoiled rich guys who only try to dominate us. remember bro this is INDIA We know who we r and what we want not some arrogant comments from a super power that is doing roudism in this world

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    funny
    By yousuck on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 (EST)
    Yes, you definitely know who you are. A THIRD-RATE naval power. You think you even have a shot against the U.S. Navy? Since when does (for example) a rusting old British aircraft carrier have a chance against a fleet of the world's largest capital ships (the Nimitz-class supercarriers)? For god's sake, the second-largest ship in your entire navy is a USN castoff (the USS Trenton). Man, I'd rate the Japanese navy better than yours. And its primary role is only the self-defense of the Japanese homeland! And you think your Su-30s with Western avionics even hold a candle to F-22? You may as well resign yourself to watching them turn into scrap metal if they ever came into contact (and pray they don't). The same goes for F-35. It may have weaker air superiority characteristics, but stealth makes a BIG difference. Plus let's not forget the long, vaunted history of Russian aircraft design, focused on making sure that the Russians could steal and copy every Western technological advance they could. Engines on the MiG-15? Stolen from the British. Fuselage on the Tu-95? Carbon copy of a B-29. Airframe design of the Su-27/MiG-29? F-14 ripoff. The Tu-144? There's a reason it's called "Concordski." And so far, everything I've seen about the T-50 screams "F-22ski". How much do you want to bet that when it does fly in, oh, a DECADE (as opposed to F-22, which flies NOW), it may do a few small things better than F-22, but on the whole will be to the F-22 what the Su-27/MiG-29 have been with respect to the teen series of U.S. fighters - inferior. Now granted, in the long-term India may well become a naval superpower, and even an air superpower. With time anything is possible. But it is not one now, nor will it be so in the short-term or even medium-range future. Be thankful you are friends with the U.S. and not enemies.

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    Yousuck
    By Ajsingh on Thursday, June 25, 2009 (EST)
    Su-27 flankers were also acquired by USA and when they evaluated they found it more advance than F-15.....hence according to some sources ...America started its JSF and F-22 raptors ... and talking about PAK FA it will have it prototype in 2009 and 2010 ..how fast was AMERICA was able to produce a prototype...if it was started when JSF and F-22 raptor ...India and Russia would have more capable stealth technology ...and about Russian economy ..president Putin....boosted the russian economy and hence more Defence budge

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    u have got wrong facts
    By Ajsingh on Thursday, June 25, 2009 (EST)
    .America once got Mig-25 from a russian pilot and he was PVO pilot, Lt. Viktor Belenko, defected to the West, landing his MiG-25P at Hakodate Airport in Japan. It was carefully dismantled and analyzed by the Foreign Technology Division (now the National Air and Space Intelligence Center) of the United States Air Force, at the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. After 67 days, the aircraft was returned to the Soviets in pieces......the avionics on the Mig 25 were Vaccum tube techology ..seems obsolete not really ....due to vaccum tube .the power output was 600kilowatts which by no means is a joke ....and they were baffled by crude design of Mig 25 but suprisingly was very efficent ....anotherexample During the Vietnam War North Korean MiG-17s and MiG-21s reached a kill rate of 9:1 against US air assets. that why they desperately need Mig17s and Mig 21s to gain and

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    U have no idea at yousuck
    By Ajsingh on Thursday, June 25, 2009 (EST)
    dude u hav know idea of russian aircraft technology
    In the early 60’s the US had its biggest break. In 1961, a disappointed Soviet pilot flew his Sukhoi Su-9 interceptor to Abadan, Iran. Only very sketchy details about this incident are known even today, but the plane and the pilot were picked up by officers of the Foreign Technology Division (FTD) of the DoD. After being disassembled within 24 hours the Su-9 was transported to the USA, while the pilot followed shortly after. In 1966, Iraqi Captain Munir Redfa flew his MiG-21F-13 to Israel. Two years later, Israel gave his MiG-21F-13 and two MiG-17F to the United States for evaluation....USA copied from the russians ...not the other way around ....USA had heavy losses in vietnam war ...it was 9:1 kill ratio ...against USA AIR ASSETS ...so get your facts right

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    Russina aircraft technology is better than USA counterpart
    By Ajsingh on Thursday, June 25, 2009 (EST)
    USAF pilot once said, "if you shot a mig 15, it could still fight on, if a mig shot us, we would be shot down from the sky".
    Yes the f86 had a radar gun sight, the mig15s gyroscopic gun sights were just as effective contrary to popular beliefs. The Mig17 was the first fighter to have a radar (modern jet air to air fighter) way before f-86 received there radar sets. Mig17 was the first aircraft to use missiles (debatle) way before f86, and also incoperate an afterburner.

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    F-22 is shit
    By Ajsingh on Thursday, June 25, 2009 (EST)
    The cost of the F22 really questions what you are getting for your money. Even the F35 which was supposed to be a "c heap" fighter is going beyond the 100million $$ mrk which is just plain stupid. The F22 uses passive stealth technology IE shaping of airframe and RAM which inst so promising in a world full of ever increasing radar performance and missiles.

    Its the same story with other US equipment. You could buy three kamov-50 for the price of one ah-64D and clearly the kamov is the supirior helicopter in quality and quantity.
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    continued
    By Ajsingh on Thursday, June 25, 2009 (EST)
    Iam sure a F-22 firing an amraam towards a su-35bm, the superflankers countermeasure and agility is enough to deal with this threat. The Flanker can hold on until the F22 comes close and then deal with it in WVR. I admit even though the su-35bm has far better radar (its newer, more range, lighter, can track more targets and also have low emission according to NIIP) the RCS of the F22 would have an advantage over the su-35. However when the PAK-fa enteres service it will have both BVR and WVR superiority. The russians are already working on new medium range and short range air to air missiles for the PAK-FA

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    Not effective stealth
    By Ajsingh on Thursday, June 25, 2009 (EST)
    The USAF so called stealth tech is a bubble. Funny that the serbs managed to shoot down the so called "invincible" nighthawk with an old 1950s radar. The radar system were upgraded with Russians and operated at ultra high frequencies. Sure there are about a million of excuses of how the f-117 got shoot down such as the nighthawk flying the same route (USAF never do that after vietnam experiance) and bomb door failing to close etc etc.

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    Russina never copied
    By Ajsingh on Thursday, June 25, 2009 (EST)
    Oh the allegation which u put forward that russians have copied from other countries ...dude get your facts right ...russia has always designed legendary aircraft ....and what u call PAK FAGA f-22ish is bull shit ...pak faga uses plasma stealth as against rcs shaping ....plasma stealth happenes to be what u call true stealth ....not some 1950s formula for stealth

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    At yousuck
    By Ajsingh on Thursday, June 25, 2009 (EST)
    " Be thankful you are friends with the U.S. and not enemies." dude get your facts rght ...USA helped pakistan in 1972 war ..The United States supported Pakistan both politically and materially. Nixon, backed by Henry Kissinger, feared Soviet expansion into South and Southeast Asia. Pakistan was a close ally of the People's Republic of China, with whom Nixon had been negotiating a rapprochement and where he intended to visit in February 1972. Nixon feared that an Indian invasion of West Pakistan would mean total Soviet domination of the region, and that it would seriously undermine the global position of the United States and the regional position of America's new tacit ally, China. In order to demonstrate to China the bona fides of the United States as an ally, and in direct violation of the US Congress-imposed sanctions on Pakistan, Nixon sent military supplies to Pakistan, routing them through Jordan and Iran,[9] while also encouraging China to increase its arms supplies to Pakistan.
    The Nixon administration also ignored reports it received of the 'genocidal' activities of the Pakistani Army in East Pakistan, most notably the Blood telegram. When Pakistan's defeat in the eastern sector seemed certain, Nixon sent the USS Enterprise to the Bay of Bengal, a move which was a nuclear threat. The Enterprise arrived on station on December 11, 1971. On 6 December and 13 December, the Soviet Navy dispatched two groups of ships, armed with nuclear missiles, from Vladivostok; they trailed U.S. Task Force 74 into the Indian Ocean from 18 December 1971 until 7 January 1972. The Soviets also sent a nuclear submarine to ward off the threat posed by USS Enterprise in the Indian Ocean.[10]
    According to a book written by an Indian Colonel, when the USS Enterprise reached the Indian Ocean, Soviet nuclear submarines surfaced without any kind of verbal warning or threat. There was no formal or informal dialogue between the USSR and the United States. As the United States were not ready to risk open nuclear warfare with the Soviets the Enterprise simply turned around and sailed back to the US.

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