Vijainder K Thakur
  Air Power    Strategic    Space    Navy    Army


>>
Home

>>
Articles

>>
News

>>
Fact Sheets

>>
Books

>>
Favorite Links

>>
Photo Gallery

>>
Emerging Tech



Login
Register



Currently Popular
  • Photos - MiG-29 OVT at MAKS-2005
  • IAF's quest for a MRCA - Why the Hornet is the strongest contender
  • Babur Cruise Missile
  • India's lease of Type 971 Akula nuclear submarines making progress.
  • Indian ICBM - A flawed deterrent!
  • General Pervez Musharraf - Delusional Nuclear Talk
  • Did India Sell Itself Short?



  • Previous Next
    IAF's quest for a MRCA - Why the Hornet is the strongest contender.
    Posted by on Sunday, September 11, 2005 (EST)
    AESA radar technology that the IAF can acquire through the purchase of F/A-18E/F Hornets represents a technological edge that is simply too significant for the IAF to overlook.
    Email this page
    IAF's quest for a MRCA - Why the Hornet is the strongest contender. AESA radar technology that the IAF can acquire through the purchase of F/A-18E/F Hornets represents a technological edge that is simply too significant for the IAF to overlook.

    F/A-18E/F

    AESA radar technology that the IAF can acquire through the purchase of F/A-18E/F Hornets represents a technological edge that is simply too significant for the IAF to overlook. According to unclassified US defense papers AESA provides 10-30 times more net radar capability plus significant advantages in the areas of range resolution, countermeasure resistance and flexibility. These are significant, almost revolutionary numbers.

    Using it AESA AN/APG-79 radar a F/A-18E/F can now detect and identify targets beyond the reach of the Super Hornet's AIM-120 Slammer missiles. Though the exact range and resolution of the radar are classified an inference can be made for the fact that the AIM-120 missile has a reported range of over 30 nm. How much over, no one knows at this point. However, it is the author's opinion that once US officials in their negotiation with IAF allude to actual detection ranges that an AESA equipped F/A-18E/F could achieve a lot of jaws will drop at Air HQs

    The enabling technology for AESA is Gallium Arsenide (GaAs) monolithic microwave integrated circuit (MMIC) which uses lithographic-type processes to produce microwave circuits on chips at very high levels of integration. A modern X-band T/R module, in addition to a radiating element, will contain five to seven chips (MMICs) produced in a foundry and later integrated into a substrate with a few discrete components and cooling provisions, all filling a space on the order of 1/4 cu in.


    Raytheon AN/APG-79 AESA radar that equips US Navy F/A-18E/F

    It is not easy to make chips out of GaAs. It took almost two decades for the fabrication technology to move from bespoke manufacture to industrial strength mass production. Though it is true that this technology is already being put into cellphones, broadcast satellite receivers and TV sets it is likely that commercial use of GaAs chips is tightly controlled.

    Currently, the only country in the world that has AESA technology is the US which acquired the technology after years of research and huge investments. The EU and Israel are reportedly next in line to acquire AESA, only because the flow of GaAs MMIC chips to these countries will not remain restricted for long due to commercial imperative. Under the circumstances, it is unlikely that Russia will acquire AESA for sometime to come.

    Today, the IAF has the opportunity to acquire fighters equipped with AESA radars either through the purchase of F-16s from Lockheed or F/A-18E/F from Boeing. It is an opportunity that the IAF cannot ignore simply for the reason that it is almost certain that PAF will acquire F-16 equipped with AESA radars.

    The IAF simply cannot wait for EU, Israel and eventually Russia to acquire AESA. By doing so it would once again cede a technological edge to the PAF, something it has repeatedly done in the past. After spurring the US offer, if the IAF were to eventually acquire AESA radars form the EU or Israel it is very likely that such transfers would be monitored and controlled by the US. What purpose would such a delay in committing to the best technology serve other than giving Pakistan another window of opportunity for a Kargil style operation?

    Additional reading


    Average Rating:

    Comments:

    possibility of using same AAMs on F-18 n SU 30 Mki
    By lonelyrider79 on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 (EST)
    Is it possible to use to Russian AAMs tht IAF currently use on F-18s or not?

    Second which AAMs r better ?

    I mean other than Radar , u urself in ur article hasnt emphasized much on diff. of armament tht each of the three contending AC will be carrying ?

    Does it mean tht it wont be of much diff. ?

    awaiting ur response .

    regards

    Reply to this Comment
     

    RE: Purchase of Super Hornet
    By bprakash on Sunday, November 27, 2005 (EST)
    You main argument about the purchase of Super Hornet seems to be that it will come with AESA Radars. Now that India will be having AWACS, do you still think that this Radar should be given that much importance so as to override great advantages that other fighters of the world may have in many other aspects over Super Hornet?
    Regards.
    Bidhu

    Reply to this Comment
     

    Purchasing the super hornet ?
    By Pradith on Thursday, December 15, 2005 (EST)
    I would like to point out that the F/A 18 and the F 16 are not the only fighters which are being offered with an AESA. Apparently the MiG 35 ( the new name for the MiG 29 OVT ) equipped with the Tikhomirov NIIP Bars-29 active phased array radar is on offer to the IAF as well. It features an all-axial deflected vectored thrust (DTV) engine for extreme maneuverability which gives it a great advantage over the F 18 in terms of maneuverability. Boeing is still deciding upon what technology it can actually release to India so the addition of the AN/APG 79 AESA is a possibility but not a certainty. Also will the americans supply the weapons for the aicraft as well? Can the IAF expect to receive AIM 9X Sidewinders , AIM 120 Amraams and JDAM guided munitions with these aircraft? The IAF has done well modifying its aircraft to carry eastern and western armament but modifying the F 18's to carry R77 RVV/AE BVR missiles would be a tough job. The MiG 35 comes with open architecture avionics which makes it adaptable to both eastern and western components. So given all of these details the MiG 35 is a serious competitor to the F 18.

    http://www.flightinternational.com/Articles/2005/11/23/Navigation/178/203253
    /MiG+confident+of+win+in+Indian+fighter+contest.html

    Reply to this Comment
     

    Bars-29
    By vkthakur on Sunday, December 18, 2005 (EST)
    Pradith,

    The Bar-29 is a passive array electronically steered radar, derived from the NIIP N-011M Bars radar fitted on the Su-30MKI.

    AESA radars are continuing to amaze even their protagonists with their capabilities. Recently, an F/A-18 successfully demonstrated realtime targetting of its JDAM using co-ordinates obtained from its AN/APG 79 AESA radar (http://kuku.sawf.org/News/4579.aspx). The AN/APG 79 could have be guiding an AMRAAM on to an enemy fighter even while it was supplying the co-ordinates for JDAM targetting.

    More recently Northrop Grumman has announced that it is working on demonstrating the use of fighter AESA radars for very high bandwidth data links. Using the AN/APG-77 AESA fitted on a Raptor they demonstrated the transfer of a 72 MB synthetic aperture radar image in 3.5 seconds at a data rate of 274 Mbps. That would have taken 48 minutes using Link-16, which is the standard data exchange system in US and allied equipment!

    Reply to this Comment
     

    Re . AESA
    By Pradith on Sunday, December 18, 2005 (EST)
    Mr Thakur,
    I agree with you completely that the AESA represents the latest and the best in Radar technology but is it enough to justify the expense of buying an expensive aircraft like the super hornet? It has been reported that Israel has been offering their Elta ELM 2052 AESA to India as well.They have offered to integrate it with the MiG 35. If all we want from the americans is their AESA then it wouldnt justify the costs. the Indian airforce will be better off buying planes which can be integrated easily into the existing logistics framework . The IAF has good maintanance facilities for the MiG and setting up new maintanance facilities for the hornet will take time and cost a lot of money. I agree that the F 18 is an excellant aircraft and that it stands a good chance of winning the IAF contract but if chosen it would be a very costly affair. Ultimately though the choice rests with the IAF and I hope they choose wisely.

    Reply to this Comment
     

    AESA or PESA
    By abhijit on Sunday, March 05, 2006 (EST)
    AESA
    America doesn't share source codes - not even with Israel, and supposing they don't like a strike on say for example Pakistan...... they may deny us targeting info on the GPS encryption. Unfortunately America controls the weapons it sells far too well to make this deal comfortable. The British too have complained about the tomahawks they bought.

    Fist of all it turns out they are entirely dependant on US Intel for targeting, secondly they can't even launch and independent strike as the guidance system has to get encrypted clearance from American satellites.

    Thirdly there is no tech transfer of this sensitive technology. Take or example the agile beam radar, also AESA, fitted on the f16E and funded entirely by the UAE. yet it will be produced in the US, no source codes, not even tech plans for the radar are to be shared. These are serious security risks we simply cannot afford to take.

    all of this far outweighs any advantages that accrue to an f-18 purchase

    I think we should either wait for the European EMPAR AESA fitted on a Rafale or its Israeli equivalent or maybe it turns out that passive electronic radars are the go as described in this article with ref to the Rafale: see below

    down side is the French stuff is exorbitant, but given the Rafale’s repeated failures (never i might add for want of competence but always cited by the Koreans and Singaporeans as meeting all demands but unproved and “on paper capability”) it might be easy to beat prices down and wrangle a good tech/source code transfer deal.

    please see link below - very interesting

    http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/rafale.htm

    Reply to this Comment
    Average Rating:

    AESA
    By harishkumar09 on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 (EST)
    AESA has the advantage of being able to fire multiple beams at different targets simultaneously.So it can simultaneously guide a missile to a hostile aircraft while downloading data to a JDAM and even doing a terrain scan so the aircraft can fly on auto pilot.

    But the question here is what is the guarantee the american goods come without viruses ? American weapons will comne infected with viruses and Trojan horses that they can activate at will.The weapon may not completely fail , so as not to arouse suspicion , but may make errors for substantial number of firings affecting productivity.Or it may make an error while attacking a particularly high-value target.

    On the other hand , Russia being in the east , her strategic interests match those of India , and may even benefit from a strong India , as it balances China.Thats why Russians sell the best weapons to India and even go for joint venture.

    Reply to this Comment
     

    AESA
    By Yank on Thursday, June 01, 2006 (EST)
    Will AESA + Cost decide the MRCA winner?

    Reply to this Comment
     

    Re: AESA
    By vkthakur on Thursday, June 01, 2006 (EST)
    It should but will it? I don't know.

    In school our teacher would tell us - India is a rich country inhabited by the poor. I think it is also a strong country inhabited by the weak.

    Reply to this Comment
     

    Thats the way to go
    By harishkumar09 on Thursday, June 08, 2006 (EST)
    Yes.We should accept Israeli AESA and fit it on the Mig-35.The way to go is to buy Russian Hardware and fit it with Israel electronics.This is the best way to go.

    Reply to this Comment
     

    IAF should go for Eurofighter Typhoon
    By malaymishra123 on Sunday, October 15, 2006 (EST)
    You are right in mentioning that India should at this stage go for the highest quality while keeping the cost in mind to a lesser extent as the fighters purchased would be the mainstay for the IAF.

    Thus i believe that the IAF should go in for the Eurofighter typhoon, it is arguably the second best A/C in the world, the first being F-22 Raptor and the cost compared with other top-of-the-line fighters is less.Have a look here:

    http://www.eurofighter.com/Typhoon/Cost/

    and many experts have said that in order of combat effectiveness,the ranking goes as:
    F-22
    Typhoon
    Rafale
    and then F-18, etc, etc

    Reply to this Comment
     

    reference
    By malaymishra123 on Sunday, October 15, 2006 (EST)
    sorry for double post but this too came to my attention:

    http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/ef2000.htm

    this website also states that EF-tyhpoon is the second best aircraft around and uses NATO's best weapons. Other countries have already ordered it including :Greece (60); Austria (18); Saudi Arabia (72). It is far superior to the Su 30 MKI, and should be the main stay of the IAF in the future, though more modest numbers would be bought.

    Reply to this Comment
     

    Abe dakkan
    By pravinutankar on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 (EST)
    If u say Ef-typoon is better than SU-30MKI than i think u better need some treatment fool...Other countries bought it because it is cheaper than su 30-mki.....Sukhoi is unbeatable.
    It forced Americans to make JSF(white elephant).
    hahahaaa.

    Reply to this Comment
     

    not so
    By malaymishra123 on Thursday, October 19, 2006 (EST)
    Ef-t is indeed better than Su-30 as the Su does not have stealth features, which is the most crucial thing and the EF has. It also has a far more advanced BVR capabilities than Su, as that is more important. The era of dogfights is on the decline.

    Reply to this Comment
     

    EUROFIGHTER IS THE BEST BET
    By t-90 on Friday, October 20, 2006 (EST)
    IAF should go in for the Eurofighter typhoon, it is arguably the second best A/C in the world, the first being F-22 Raptor and the cost compared with other top-of-the-line fighters is less.
    IT IS A NICE PIECE OF FIGHTER AND IT WOULD JUST BE DISASTOROUS FOR PAKIS AND CHINKS TO IMAGINE THAT IAF'S SU-30MKI+EUROFIGHTER+MIG-29+MIRAGE 2000+JAGUARS+LCA AGAINST THERE F-16,FISHBED+SU-27,J-10,AND SHENYANG FIGHTERS.


    Reply to this Comment
    Average Rating:

    RE: Purchase of Super Hornet
    By optikplasma on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 (EST)
    I would like to point out a statement made last year by the former Malaysian Pm, Dr Mahathir.

    It seems the ten F18s, the Malaysians purchased from USA cannot be used against certain neighboring countries because the aircraft computers are programmed like that. There is a special source code to modify the programme, which the USA did not give the Malaysians, and the latter came to know of this limitation only later.

    Reply to this Comment
     

    Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean......
    By Winter_Lion on Friday, January 26, 2007 (EST)
    You guys are watching too much TV. Your logic and fears sound like a badly written political thriller.

    The U.S. does not sell weapons systems with trojans and viruss as non-optional accesories. That is not neccesary for one thing and not very neighborly for another.

    I will tell you why it is not neccesary. If a country that sells cutting edge combat aircraft to other countries has a problem with how the weapons are being used, they only need to stop shipment on spares and repair components. Within weeks, a month tops........the aforementioned fleet will have lost it's combat readiness by at least 80%.

    Remember the Shah of Iran and how he spent huge sums, buying the, at the time, finest fighter in the world..........The F14 Tomcat.

    Within weeks of the Ayatollah and his dogmatic and very violent followers taking over Iran, those same Tomcats were hanger queens........never to fly again.

    Why?.........No spares..........No parts........No fly.

    Cmon guys, get with the program.....Modern aircraft demand many hours of maintenance and repair for every hour flown. Without the parts the mechs need to repair em, they never get off the runway.

    Respects.........

    Winter Lion
    P3C Orion flight engineer
    United States Navy.......(ret)

    Reply to this Comment
     

    Software spoofing is a standard practice?
    By vkthakur on Friday, January 26, 2007 (EST)
    It is quite likely weapon suppliers spoof their software to limit the use of weapon systems.

    Back in the early 1980s IAF purchased its first consignment of Durandal runway denial bombs from France. Months after the rocket bombs arrived in India the IAF decided to live test them on Indian territory. They were in for a surprise. Three Jaguars, one after the other, failed to release the weapon on a target runway at the Pokharan range in front of VIPs that included the Defense Minister and the Air Chief.

    My hunch is the CO of the Jaguar squadron does not have fond memories of the following few days.

    The technicians had no clue what caused the failures. They tested the circuits and all appeared fine.

    The problem was eventually corrected with a software update from France.

    Whether or not the software was deliberately spoofed on that occasion is moot. The fact is that it could have been.

    If you think about it, prudence will mandate it is!

    Reply to this Comment
     

    Malay
    By malaymishra123 on Friday, January 26, 2007 (EST)
    Mr Thankur.
    You articles are very informative and written excellently, may i ask you as to why have you stopped writing them? It has been a while since you last posted an article.

    Regards
    Malay

    Reply to this Comment
     

    MiG-35
    By manibag on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 (EST)
    Why MiG-35 it is one and half decade old russian program which was shelved due to shortage of funds. This fighter is not in the air and there are many fighter who have proved there mettle. Why to invest in this program.
    Why always we look and took russian technology
    We need the technically most superor aircraft in the subcontinent. If we have to purchase this MiG-35 India must have decide a decade earlier. We were very late in taking the decisions. Also in case of AJT we ahve taken JUST TWO DECADES.
    We have to accept the MiG-35 with most advance and leathel technology and that need to cover at least more than one decade to our east and west rivals. We have to teach them a better lesson.

    Reply to this Comment
     

    Go for MiG-35
    By Su-30mkia on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 (EST)
    even when i'm unsatisfied with current IAF MiG-29, i say go for MiG-35, because it is much improved and willing to be improved. Rafale has nt proven itself and Typhoon is expensive plus long waiting lines. As for F-18 and F-16, you all know never trust USA, their systems will be encrypted and turned to vegetables if we used it without their will.
    The best would have been something like a mirage with stealth and AESA plus other features of a modern aircraft.
    Getting back to MiG-35, it looks like a MiG-29, but most of the things inside have changed, radar, cockpit, avoinics suit, etc smokeless RD-33k/93 engines +DVC, 30% to 50% better fuel effi. etc.
    Russia will never back from india, so buy MiG-35, 1/2 with DVC, and 1/2 without.
    Because imagine the cost of maintainance of a 100/126/200 twin engined TVC aircraft.

    If we could trust USA, even one ounce, we could have opted for f-16, our bad.

    Reply to this Comment
     

    F-18E/G is the way to go
    By Manny on Sunday, March 04, 2007 (EST)
    There are folks that are enamoured at the Cobra and other aerobatics manuevers.

    This is like that Arab in that Indiana Jones movie who was showing off his sowrd manuevers...and I.Jones nonchalantly shoots him.

    If you want to see what I am talking about...here it is.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QozjHtwxoX4



    Manny

    Reply to this Comment
     

    EF VS the SU
    By nikhil_pune on Monday, March 05, 2007 (EST)
    You cannot compare the EF- Typhoon and the Sukhoi
    simple reason being they are two different concepts altogether, for starters one is a single engine a/c ( Lower RCS by default) and the other is a twin engine a/c.
    Super manouverability is essential in todays scenarios, due to the reduced RCS, and other reasons, BVR engagements will not be easy. Example, lets consider the EF is attacking, and Su-30's are scrambled, they will be far more effective in the WVR engagement envelop than the EF will be, (super manouverability of course).

    Coming to the point of Manny comparing the SU to an Indiana Jones movie...well manny,take a walk in the park. Think of something better to say.

    Reply to this Comment
    Average Rating:

    Zhuk-AE
    By su30mki117 on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 (EST)
    I think the radar on the MiG-35 (Zhuk-AE) is almost equivalnet to the AESA radar developed by the US...

    Reply to this Comment
     

    EF VS the SU
    By baccardisprite on Monday, April 30, 2007 (EST)
    Umm... the Eurofighter is a twin-jet engined a/c.

    Reply to this Comment
     

    Manny..
    By NV on Sunday, July 22, 2007 (EST)
    ...I wouldnt be as blase as you are appearing to be when you refer to the Cobra as useless...the particular maneuver may not be of use..but the manoueverability matters. Just think, the MKI can use TVC to engage and disengage from combat and complete a 180 degree reversal in a few seconds time...as compared to a wide loop and wasted effort in the case of a conventional fighter..

    Reply to this Comment
     

    Rafales with AMPAR or ELTA
    By malkurad on Sunday, September 30, 2007 (EST)
    The wisest choice would be to go for RAFALE with AMPAR or ELTA-2052 AESA Radar.

    1)Best Multi-role capability among all the contenders. True Omni-role unlike others that have 1 primary role and other secondary.
    2)Can incorporate AMSAR AESA or ELTA-2052 AESA . Rafales are supposed to be fitted with AMSAR in future. It will take time for the planes to arrive and if we go with Hornet then we will be stuck with an old bird when AESA's would be aviable in the market by then. Then when AESA's are added to other planes then it becomes truly a next level plane. Just going for SH because of currently having AESA is foolish and short-term thinking.
    3)No influence by either Russia or US in that case because of the deal. Russia already messing with costs of Gorshkov and Sukhoi's and US will keep messing up Indian decisions as it is known to do. Moreover Mig-35 has old airframe design and so does the hornet
    4)Why go for planes that are at the end of their life time when we can go for a plane that is at the beginning. We need this bird till 2050 and no way Mig and Hornet designs will have any influence then.Too much maintainence problems with the Mig-29
    5)Typhoons are just to expensive and we will have an entirely new line
    6)Production lines of Rafales can be on the current ones for the Mirage and IAF just loves the Mirages.
    7)Can put Kaveri's on the Rafales and Snecma is already a consultant for Kaveri.
    8)India already going ahead with Scorpenes and shows that French stuff is high class. Moreover this will increase French relations just like India increased relations with Israel with defense relations.
    9)French-India ties will bring a fourth power to the world along with US,Russia, China and make it truly quadri-polar.
    10)Will have access to missiles like Meteor
    11)Will have access to French tech and greatly help our LCA/MCA programs and future plane development as we will be exposed to some new things than purely old Russian stuff.
    12)We need to ask the French if they are interested in development of a 5th Generation Fighter.

    Reply to this Comment
     

    Add Your Comment

    New Photos


    T90


    Indo US joint exercise


    Self Propelled Howitzer

     

    Most Popular Articles
  • Are Indian Fighter Pilots better than US Fighter Pilots?
    The first bilateral dissimilar air combat (DACT) exercise between the U.S. Air Force and the Indian air force in more than 40 years, Cope India 2004, took place at Gawalior, India in Feb this year. Did the IAF pilots out perform the USAF pilots during the exercise.

  • Tejas LCA
    Because of delays in its planned induction, the Tejas does not adequately address the current and future threats faced by the IAF. There is a strong case for encouraging the IAF and ADA to think beyond the Tejas

  • Photos - MiG-29 OVT at MAKS-2005
    Photos of the super maneuverable MiG-29 OVT performing at MAKS 2005

  •  

    New Articles
  • Indian Air Force orders three more Phalcon AWACS
    The Indian Air Force has forwarded a proposal to the Defense Ministry to purchase three additional Phalcon AWACS from Israel at a cost of $ 2 billion.

  • India successfully test fires Agni 3
    India successfully test fired Agni 3, a 3,500 km range nuclear capable missile, from Wheeler Island off Orissa coast at 9.56 am on Wednesday, May 7.

  • PSLV successfully launches ten satellites
    ISRO’s PSLV-C9, successfully launched satellite CARTOSAT-2A, the Indian Mini Satellite (IMS-1) and eight nanosatellites for international customers into a 637 km polar Sun Synchronous Orbit from Satish Dhawan Space Centre, Sriharikota on April 28, 2008.


  • Home   |  Articles   |  News   |  Fact Sheets   |  Books   |  Favorite Links   |  Photo Gallery   |  Emerging Tech