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    The first bilateral dissimilar air combat (DACT) exercise between the U.S. Air Force and the Indian air force in more than 40 years, Cope India 2004, took place at Gawalior, India in Feb this year. Did the IAF pilots out perform the USAF pilots during the exercise.

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    Cope India 2004
    Posted by on Sunday, June 06, 2004 (EST)
    IAF and USAF exercise together after 40 years!
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    The first bilateral dissimilar air combat exercise between the U.S. Air Force and the Indian air force in more than 40 years took place in Gawalior on Feb. 16. Approximately 150 airmen from Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska, participated the exercise.

    Dissimilar AIR COMBAT TRAINING, otherwise known as DACT, is simulated combat flying between two different types of aircraft. Indian air force aircraft that participated in the exercise include the Mirage 2000, MiG-21, MiG-27 and SU-30. The airmen from Elmendorf are flying F-15 Eagles.

    Elmendorf provided aircrews, maintainers, communications, security and logistical support for the exercise. A tanker/airlift control element team from Travis AFB, Calif., also supported the exercise. As host, the Indian air force provided facilities, fuel, airspace and security, plus numerous professional exchange opportunities.

    The station, located approximately 10 miles from the city of Gwalior in North Central India, is one of the oldest Indian air force bases in South Asia. The air force station is the center hub of operational training, testing and national-level exercises and includes the only Indian air force electronic warfare range, used to aid new pilots in aircraft familiarization.

    Following two days of familiarization flights, the F-15s joined the Indian SU-30K Flanker, Mirage 2000, MIG-29 Fulcrum, MIG-27 Flogger and MIG-21 Bison aircraft in a series of offensive counter-air and defensive counter-air engagements.

    Each engagement series lasted about 30 minutes over the nearby training range, and two series were scheduled each flying day. During nearly all these simulated combat sorties, the F-15s protected ground targets against advancing Indian aircraft.

    Combined pre- and post-flight briefings set the stage and evaluated the scoring for each engagement.

    The US. Air Force had never flown with or against the SU-30 Flanker before, so that aspect of this exercise was completely new for them. All the U.S. aircrew members were excited about the opportunity. In the past, many of these aircraft were considered ‘enemies’, so it was very encouraging and positive to fly with them as partners.

    One challenge for U.S. airmen interacting with the Russain-made Mikoyan-Gurevich and Sukhoi aircraft was that those aircraft use metric measurements. But careful exercise planning and the first set of familiarization flights led to safe aircraft maneuvering during the engagement series.

    Another challenge for U.S. crew members was the subtle language differences. Although all the Indian airmen participating in the exercise spoke fluent English, their speech is quicker, and the musical quality of their voices is something American ears needed to adjust to.

    We’ve agreed to use U.S. communication terms during radio calls throughout the air engagements since the Indian air force was planned to participate in Cooperative Cope Thunder exercise later this year. (July 15 - 30)

    The Indian airmen plan to take fighter, tanker and airlift aircraft plus a man-portable air-defense team and ground controllers to the annual multilateral exercise in Alaska run by Pacific Air Forces.

    Gwalior AFS is the hub of the Indian air force’s operational training and testing and often plays host to national-level exercises. The station includes the only Indian air force electronic warfare range, which is being used for Cope India sorties.

    Station Commander Air Commodore SP Rajguru had this to say about the flying operations.

    The exchanges are very, very frank, both on the work side and otherwise, he said. The United States Air Force is a very modern air force and has global experience of flying and exercising with many countries in the world. So obviously any fighter pilot would like to interact closely to understand their operating philosophy.

    Col. Greg Neubeck, U.S. Air Force commander for the exercise, was quick to return the compliment.

    The (Indian) pilots are as aggressive as our pilots. They are excellent aviators; they work very hard at mission planning; they try to get as much out of a mission or sortie as possible, just like us, he said. From one fighter pilot to another, there’s really not that much difference in how we prepare for a mission and what we want to get out of it.

    While the U.S. airmen were very curious about the Indian aircraft, the same was true of the local interest in the F-15. Between sorties, U.S. airmen gave operations and maintenance tours of the aircraft and answered questions from their Indian counterparts.

    The exercise continued through Feb. 25.

    Click here to view more pictures from the exercise.

    This article is reproduced from the Air Force Link

    PS I report on Defence matters because India spends nearly 20% of it budget on Defence. Two of Inda's neigbors openly covet her territory and don't foresake the use of violence to get it. Under the circumstances I think it is imperative that all Indians follow matters of defence closely. Our history, distant and recent, is replete with invasions that we invited upon ourselves by not being adequately prepared.

    If you would like to contribute a picture or article to this blog I will be delighted to hear from you.


     

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    Indo US exercise
    By ? on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 (EST)
    It was good that both sides had come together during this Air Force exercise at Gwalior and exchanged free and frank information. The American fighter pilots have always been very curious to learn and know about the Mig-21 which played a pivotal role in the Vietnam war and made them to set up the Topgun school. This was started to teach the American pilots the art of close air combat which had been put aside by them after the second world war. The Mig-21 was the only supersonic fighter machine which performed extremely well at low speeds too, thus having an edge over other supersonic fighters in dog fights. I am an ex Mig-21 pilot and always loved flying that aircarft.

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    Re: Indo US exercise
    By vkthakur on Thursday, June 10, 2004 (EST)
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    Su 30
    By Troyka on Saturday, September 17, 2005 (EST)
    I do have a question.
    How does/did the Su-30 compare to the US aircraft ?
    I'm interested in knowing that since our air fleet is ageing and I'm looking at the possibility to replace our F-16AM's.
    So far my intentions seem branded on the Block 60 F-16 and the SU-30 (with the Su-34).
    Although I believe the Sukhoi avionics will be replaced with Western avionics (IAI being the best partner to do that, i believe).
    With a 33 million € price tag the Su-30 is cost effective.
    What are your thoughts ?

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    F-16 vs Su-30
    By vkthakur on Monday, September 19, 2005 (EST)
    Now that is a difficult question to answer!

    Both aircraft are capable fourth generation figthers and represent viable choices.

    Price, Electronics and Weapon fit, Existing infrastructure, Need for diversification are some factors that would weigh into the decision making process.

    For example, if the F-16s on offer were to be equipped with an with an AESA like the ones supplied to UAE, then despite the higher price tag they would probably represent the better choice.

    But then perhaps Israel could fit an AESA on the Su-30?

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    MiG-21 and Low speed flight characteristics
    By pandeparitosh on Sunday, December 04, 2005 (EST)
    On the contrary, I have heard that MiG-21's are not very responsive at low speed's? As a former MiG-21 pilot please calrify this!!

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    MIG-21
    By GreyWolf on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 (EST)
    I have written a book about the MIG-21. It can be purchased at "Authorhouse.com" The Name of the book is "Havana Moon" Author's name is Rusty Cash. A US NAvy F-18 pilot shoots down two Cuban MIG-21s over the straits between Cuba and Florida.He witnesses the two MIGs shoot down two civilian aircraft piloted by American pilots trying to assist Cubans in the water escaping to Florida. His anger gets the better of him and he attacks both MIGs shooting them down, against orders. He is released from the Navy, and is hired to be a test pilot by the owner of an aviation company that modernizes older fighters for sale to small countries unable to purchase expensive modern fighters.He travels to India, is trained to fly the MIG-21 by a former Russian flight instructor working for the same company. Testing the upgraded MIG-21 in front of Indian military officials, he is attacked by two Pakistani fighters. Forced to defend himself, using the upgraded avionics and weapons systems, he is able to shoot down the two attacking PAki fighters. The Indian government signs a contract with the company to upgrade 100 of their MIG-21s.Our hero then is offered a chance to fly a mission with a group of international military pilots. Their mission is to bomb the electronic intelligence gathering station in Bejucal Cuba. There is to be a meeting between the communist leaders of Cuba, and Chinese represenatives willing to pay Cuba for the ability to snoop on the US electronically. Flying Modernized MIG-21s painted to look like Cuban MIGs and transmitting stolen IFF codes, this group takes off from Andros Island, successfully destroys the target killing the top communist leaders of Cuba. They must outwit SAM missiles and out fight Cuban MIGs to successfully escape and land in the Cayman Islands with empty fuel tanks.A non communist General takes command of the military of Cuba, and the country itself. Cuba becomes the tourist and banking center of the Carribean. I am presently working on the sequel to this book using the same charactors involved in another adventure. Havana Moon has everything, romance, danger, honor, as well as correct detailed information concerning the flight characteristics of the Modernized MIG-21s.

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    American Fighter Aircrafts
    By ganapatihegde1024 on Thursday, October 11, 2007 (EST)
    I personally believe that the American fighter Aircrafts are superior to Russians, and best in the World.

    The only problem is United States, is unpredictable, when imposing sanctions, this might create a problem to procure critical spare parts, like the Iranian Airforce is suffering.

    India needs to enter nito Technology Licensing Agreements and this needs to be made the criteria, to bid for Indian defence contracts.

    India needs to build its own designer fighter jets and name it as the Vayu Serie or VY-1,2,3

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